Otisgardens

I just grew 80,000 seeds but the law limits me to 24 plants maximum. OMMP patients like me cannot legally buy seeds in Oregon and breeders can't sell. Buying or sending seeds or clones through the mail is a Federal Offense. Sales are illegal. Pretty much unanimous advice in the forums is do not buy seeds.


Winning plants and promising phenotypes are discovered by visual observation. It takes thousands of plants to lock down traits. OMMP gardeners cannot legally attain the necessary plant counts to evaluate thousands of plants with one pair of eyes. Another way is to increase the number of eyes.


Seeds are available free of charge to verified OMMP patients through OGF or NGF. No other people can participate. To get on the list read the rules below and follow the directions. You must state the verified name you use at OGF or NGF.  A delivery date will be arranged after enough verified people get on the list. Seeds have to be picked up in person. Each seed pack will have around thirty assorted seeds from at least five different crosses of the total 24 available crosses, maybe more depending on demand. A chart of baggie colors matched to strain ID will be posted in this thread before delivery


A list of recipients will be posted as it fills. You are not on the list until you see your name. If you tried but are not on the list something from the rules was probably missing in your reply like which club will do your verification and what name is verified there. Ask questions in the thread here. Please do not request personal replies.


Bombing the seeds away is a natural progression of the charity already done with these plants. The strains used in these crosses came to me for free through sharing and serendipity. No money was spent or taken for any of these seeds, plants, or buds. Enjoy!


The full story of the seeds is here:


www.otisgardens.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg694;topicseen#new

This works like a Bud Bomb:


www.otisgardens.com/forum/index.php?topic=109.0






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RULEZ:


1. Come here for updates and questions. No questions by PM. Other people have the same question. Do not call NGF or OGF for more information. All the information is here. Subscribe to the thread for updates.

2. This donation list is only for Oregon OMMP cardholders that are current verified members of NGF and OGF.

3. Names are taken only from this thread. For verification and delivery purposes you must state your valid OGF or NGF name when responding.

4. No special requests, no special delivery.

5. One pack per valid OGF or NGF name.

6. You own the phenotype you find. You name it. You agree that you will reference the Otis crosses or the genetic description of these seeds in the name you give your plant. DOG8, DC1, and LSD3 are already named Marla7, Rosie7, and Marigirl. Marla is sweeter, Rosie is spicier, Marigirl is just right.

7. To get on the list agree to the rules by typing or pasting these words, "Crop Circle Club," somewhere in a reply below.

8. Any unclaimed donations go to the volunteers one week after delivery.

OMMP cardholders legally can give each other seeds all day but not sell a one. Even reasonable trades are a legal gray area. People somehow get them anyway otherwise there would be no plants. Brand name seeds are available and swapped in Oregon among friends and networks of friends. New patients usually ask about seeds when getting their cards only to find that they aren't really available until you know someone. People still want seeds because they are useful, durable and portable. Maintaining a perpetually plugged in secret garden of clones is not necessary if you have seeds. A half teaspoon of good seeds means you can garden at any time. Keeping clones means you have to garden all the time.


The Oregon medical community relies on the spontaneous appearance of free clones instead of seeds. Compared to seeds it makes more sense to work from clones of tested strains for ease, reliability, uniformity and yield.  Every imaginable good clone is around Portland through friends connecting on internet forums. Who you know  influences availability. In the absence of money, reputation is currency.


Seeds are condensed forms of individual living plants. They are different from clones. Each clone is an exact copy while each seed is unique. Clones do not vary because they are all the same exact plant. Variation is found even among seeds of strains with stabilized traits. Unstabilized seeds vary more. Clones do not need to be stabilized as they are already exact copies. The possible variations created by new crosses are unknown until explored.  Any unstabilized cross can potentially produce a winning clone or classic strain that never needs stabilizing provided it is kept by enough gardeners. Broadly dispersed clones get to be all ages simultaneously by living way beyond their usual brief three to five month life span. To gain extra lives they can seduce minds even threatened by prison.  A healthy, virus free clone can maintain vigor and potency for decades, getting wiser like an immortal.  


Tens of thousands of seed plants are required to lock down traits by observation and find top shelf clones worthy of further refinement. Observations of phenotype frequency are statistically meaningful only when large sample sizes are used. Proper breeding requires plant counts be high enough for random chance to be overcome and meaningful margins of error achieved. Without luck it takes a million plants to find that one in a million plant. There is no sound botanical way to efficiently sort through 80,000 seeds 24 at a time. A different approach is needed.


Winning plants and promising phenotypes are discovered by visual observation. OMMP gardeners cannot legally attain the necessary plant counts to evaluate thousands of plants with one pair of eyes. Another way is to increase the number of eyes. Since our eyes can legally see only 24 plants at a time we can overcomes the impossibility of any individual having the plant counts needed for efficient and effective breeding by spreading the seeds around and letting selection happen spontaneously among strangers. Donating thousands of seeds might open source selection of these early crosses by enlisting thousands of eyes.


The plants in these crosses were selected by hundreds, if not thousands, of serious medical smokers in Oregon over years. OMMP patients independently identified these ones as useful, potent, fragrant, and tasty enough to have cloned and shared them. Selection occurred by word of mouth, on online forums, at OGF exchanges at Big Blue, feedback from bud bombs, and at the 2010 OGF Harvest Festival which had blind tests by 120 judges from all over Oregon. Snowtracks, Vortex, and Alaskan took first, second and third at that fest. These plants represent a snapshot of the best that were circulating near me in 2010. There is high potential for finding a medically useful plant among the seeds.


The Vortex, Alaskan, Chad's Alaskan, and Blackberry Kush mothers were cloned many times and sent around. People ask for them back when they lose them. The F1 Snowtracks crosses DC1, LSD3, DOG8, and DOG9 were selected by me and bloomed twice. DOG8, DC1, and LSD3 are already named Marla7, Rosie7, and Marigirl. Marla is sweeter, Rosie is spicier, Marigirl is just right. They are potent with fat buds. All have a hint of Snowtracks smell. They are also being bloomed right now by OGF and NGF gardeners who will say whatever they wish about them on forums. If they are good or helpful they will stick around based on their own merits. I will keep cloning them for now.


A pinch of these seeds and some selection is enough for a gardener to get self sufficient. Use these seeds to find good clones. Expect one to three keepers from popping and sorting 30 seeds. Seeds should be half male. If sexing all at once, that crop will likely get seeded. All of the seeded females will have useable meds but culling stringy ones early will give fat bud plants more room and improve overall results. Observe bud size of first crop then use for hash or tincture. If plant counts allow, plan to cull early and start over with female clones right after sexing. To have clones ready to go in May for the Summer you should pop these in December or January to allow time for observation and selection. Clone the best plants at the first pruning around 7 or eight nodes. Work off the top apical cut.


Look for early trichome production, vigor, smell, and bell shaped buds. Bloom only sexually mature plants that have begun alternating nodes. Eliminate hermaphrodites. Cannabis takes a month or two to cure and reveal its true aroma. Several people must try a strain before it can be called good but if it looks good and smells good it will probably be good. Share keepers only after blooming twice yourself. If you find a winner name it as your own. That unique plant would not exist without you. Exceptional plants will stand out over time. Back crosses can be attempted in the future if forums record the contributions, genealogy, and experiences of gardeners.


The F1 seeds (first crosses V, A, CA, BBK) should have less variation than the F2 seeds (DC1, LSD3, DOG8, DOG9) which will show more phenotypes. The Vortex F2 seeds are not available. I am throwing them away after considering the effect on the future livelihood of Subcool who gave the seeds for free to our medical community. Many people have enjoyed Vortex. Thanks to him for providing it. Subby owns Vortex on Vortex. I ran with the plants on hand. If I had waited to start growing until I knew everything I would have never grown a plant. At some point you run with the ideas already in your head. Who knows about tomorrow.  


Bombing the seeds away is a natural progression of the charity already done with these plants. The strains used in these crosses came to me for free through sharing and serendipity. No money was spent or taken for any of these seeds, plants, or buds. There are many seeds. If you are seeing this check the Bean Bomb thread to see if free seeds are still available.




Enjoy!

I say

Quote from: Sower on October 17, 2011, 05:01:46 PM
I say

Over at OGF im known as Greenpaw I wanna Join the

I would love to be a member of the Crop Circle Club.  I'm ktkat at NGF.  TYVM.

Quote from: greenpaw on October 17, 2011, 05:10:31 PM
Over at OGF im known as Greenpaw I wanna Join the

BY GOD !!!!!
I want to join the crop circle club....Me and Mrs. taterkids want to thank you.

Hello.. Mikel from OGF would like some beanz pleeze..  ;D

Diabolique here from OGF

Crop, club, circle,

Love your Bombs!  Beans Please!

Quote from: Diabolique on October 17, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
Diabolique here from OGF

Crop circle club, I want to join in

Love your Bombs!  Beans Please!

Laundrymatshower here at ngf im saying crop circle club

otis dude your awesome I love seeds "crop circle club" and thanks

Sry I got so exited I forgot im OGF...

Hey, Otis...I am an OGF'er and would LOVE to be part of the Crop Circle Club!

Thanks!!

Russianblue72

Oh yea.. Crop Circle Club.. would love to get some beenz.. Mikel from OGF. Thanks Otis.

Ogf'er here. 

never heard of such a thing, its brilliant, great way to produce and test new strains...

im in...

Crop Circle Club, sounds fun... 

I'm cannachuck from OGF and I would love to join your "crop cirlce club" you the man.  Thanks so much

HI Otiz,
I could use some bean and join the circle. OGF name is Iyssac
Thank you

Wasn't the Crop Circle Club started by Mel Gibson?  Anyway I want to start my own crop circle of plants.

Thank Otis your the greatest.  I can be found at NGF as a year member.

Eagle

fellow ogf member here (same user name) would like to join the crop circle club :)

Hello, Sunpirates here from OGF... crop circle club...  ;)

I'm cannachuck from OGF and I would like to join the crop circle club. Thanks

"Crop Circle Club" Bean bomb me brah! couchlock@OGF Peace!

Crop Circle Club 4 TOAD427 @ NGF

thanks OtisHertz

Crop Circle Club, yes! I'm rosecitylady from NGF

Thank you!!

Diaolique from OGF here, I want to join your crop circle club Otis,
Bean me up!

Crop Circle Club, my name is Hermit44 on OGF. Thanks!!!

~Warm joyful wishes~

Ya this is a good idea. Count me in via NGF, crop circle sounds fun.

Sat Nam
(truth is the Name)

Crop circle club! Im with ngf and loving it

Would love some seeds...... Thank you!

Dear OG Member,

Thank you for trying my seeds. Seeds will be available at OGF and NGF for the week beginning October 31. Unclaimed seeds go to the volunteers after one week. Will send a reminder by PM. Please check that your name is in the correct list below and make any changes in the thread at:






These people have not yet provided a verified NGF or OGF name.


1.   Sower
2.   Taterkids
3.   unionguy
4.   RDDPL




OGF Bean Bomb List 1

> Delivery October 31 <


1.   greenpaw  
2.   Mikel  
3.   Diabolique  
4.   ibanezjoe33  
5.   russianblue72  
6.   betrayer  
7.   cannachuck  
8.   Iyssac  
9.   TechnicolorAmoeba    
10.  sunpirates  
11.  couchlock    
12.  Slug2468    Hermit44  @  OGF
13.  cirric    



NGF Bean Bomb List 1

> Delivery October 31 <



1.   ktkat  
2.   Laundrymatshower  
3.   Eagle    
4.   TOAD427    
5.   rosecitylady    
6.   Shabad    
7.  :ninja:



Rock on my brothers and sisters,

Otis

Holy Cow!  Thanks Otis!  'Twosie' here, and I'd love to join your "Crop Circle Club" also!  Thank you!

Thanks Otis!  "Twosie" here, and I'd love to join your 'Crop Circle Club'.  Not sure if I posted correctly a few minutes ago?   :-[

Me, too! Wanta join the Crop Circle Club...from ogf.
Thanks a million!!!

Unionguy here from OGF. Sorry i did not state that info.. Good Day.

Howdy Otis, I would like to join the crop circle club and get a bean bomb, I am superchef007 on ogf.

  Hello Otis,  I  would like to join your "Crop Circle Club" &  recieve a bean bomb. My NGF name is Juju also many good wishes & thank you. :rubyslippers:  good juju

Crop Circle Club :) Bootstrapbabe

Andrew @ OGF
Crop Circle Club

luni415 from OGF here. I would love to be a member of the "Crop Circle Club"!

Hey "Crop Circle Club" id love me some seeds to start. i have always wanted to watch the symmetrical growth! My OGF name is Brandon

Sunpirates does not have transportation.. he has asked me to pickup his beans from OGF.. is that ok? Also willing to pickup for others near me (Willamette Valley) if needed and if thats ok.

hello otis,  I appreciate what you're doing and would love to participate.  my OGF name is lostenspacecadet.  Thanks!

Quote from: Mikel on October 26, 2011, 07:45:04 PM
Sunpirates does not have transportation.. he has asked me to pickup his beans from OGF.. is that ok? Also willing to pickup for others near me (Willamette Valley) if needed and if thats ok.

Thanks for offering to pick up for others. If Sunpirates gets on the list here I will send a seed pack to OGF in his name. OGF will take it from there. They are under no obligation to do special delivery but probably will be happy to help members with this if you ask.

 :) Howdy --- not sure why I'm not authorized ??? I am on NGF --- help me figure it out please!

hi this is Bluetrane....i want to be in the crop circle club please thanks.

hi this is Bluetrane id like to be in the crop circle club...ogf....thanks

Quote from: RDDPL on October 27, 2011, 09:50:55 PM
:) Howdy --- not sure why I'm not authorized ??? I am on NGF --- help me figure it out please!

You have to say where to deliver in this thread.

Each pack has at least five seeds per variety. 12 varieties per pack. 40 total seed packs available. The list will close when 40 have signed up. Currently, 30-33 have reserved Seed Pack 1. Next month there will be another donation of different seeds.

Please check that your name is in the correct list below and request any changes in this thread.








OGF Bean Bomb List 1

> Delivery October 31 <


 
1.greenpaw  
2.Mikel  
3.Diabolique  
4.ibanezjoe33  
5.russianblue72  
6.betrayer  
7.cannachuck  
8.Iyssac  
9.TechnicolorAmoeba    
10.sunpirates  
11.couchlock    
12.Slug2468   = Hermit44
13.cirric    
14.WiseFemme
15.unionguy
16.tbone   = superchef007
17.Andrew
18.luni415
19.brandon

I'd love to be part of the crop circle club!!! Sign me up to pickup from OGF main! Thanks Otis, you're top notch!

Quote from: lostenspace on October 26, 2011, 09:44:30 PM
hello otis,  I appreciate what you're doing and would love to participate.  my OGF name is lostenspacecadet.  Thanks!

Thank you for allowing me to participate in this community based opportunity.  Are you wanting us to document here on Otis gardens and will there be a selected forum topic to post these phenotypes?  Are there certain attributes that you are wanting in particular also?  

thanks

Quote from: lostenspace on October 28, 2011, 04:11:37 PM

Thank you for allowing me to participate in this community based opportunity.  Are you wanting us to document here on Otis gardens and will there be a selected forum topic to post these phenotypes?  Are there certain attributes that you are wanting in particular also?  

thanks

Otisgardens web site will be maintained for us to share and disseminate the strains and information about them for as long as possible. Still, always a good idea to save on your computer any web pages from here that you want to keep.


Mostly look for what you like, what smells good to you. Odds are if it looks good and smells good to you then it also will to others. Ask friends to help smell. The difference between noses is surprising. You may find a plant you love and everyone hates or vice versa. The ultimate goal here is sync with a plant, grow your own cure, then share it. Two plants that did not make it into my lineup were AK-47 and Jack Herer. I lost those. If anyone can introduce those genes to the pool I would appreciate it.


General vigor,  early trichome formation, large bud size, and good smell are the first things to select. Then look for bud size. You can rub stems with fingers to get an early indication of smell. With males this is the only smell test. Bud smell gives a good indication of the finished product but no smell is sure until the dried buds have cured for a month. Stronger smelling plants cure better. Strong smells generally come through as flavors. Smells can change substantially through curing. Potency and effect are unknown until the plant is smoked.


Keep notes on your observations. They add up and are indispensable for making calls on which plants to cull or keep. Blue painters tape makes the best labels. Blue tape can get wet and is removable like a post-it note so it can travel from little to big pot. Keep a sharpie marker nearby and put your notes right on the tape. Labeling is the one thing you Do Not want to get wrong. Incorrect labeling can screw everything up.


Might as well also mention that without a pest control plan you are likely going to fail. I have not emphasized this enough in the past. Have at least neem oil and insecticidal soap on hand as a first line of defense. As soon as you see any bug you have to spray. Cheap pressurized sprayers are useful. Use of a respirator highly recommended. Use a fogger if you are sensitive or your garden is large. I use neem and soap in combination at 95% neem with a little soap as a surfactant. Also use straight soap but it is harsher on new plants. You can wash the soap off after a few minutes if you like. It works on contact. Be on the lookout for little yellow dots on leaves that are the telltale sign of the dreaded spider mite. You must address those little yellow dots immediately or you will lose everything. Mites love pot and grow rooms.


Avid works as a preventative for insects and a cure. Use it or something similar if neem and soap do not work or if your problem has advanced to infestation stage. I think Azamax is similar if you can't get Avid. Procure works well for powdery mildew and bud rot as a preventative. Oregon's wet climate necessitates a preventative dose of fungicide before blooming. If you ever have mold or PM buy three more fans. You have an air flow problem. Preventatives are used only in veg, never in flower.


Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is the only thing you can safely use on blooming plants that have bud rot or PM. It is sold as Oxidate, works very well, and leaves no trace. It is a very good idea to spray blooming plants with Oxidate in their fourth or fifth week of bloom to avoid finding hidden bud rot at the trimming table. Worth saying that sulfur burners can be used to treat PM in bloom. They should not be used within 30 days of using neem or with wet leaves. Most fungicides work by raising the leaf pH. In fact, milk at 7 to 1 will work like that as a fungicide. Hydrogen peroxide doesn't work by raising pH. It oxidizes and destroys the mold or mildew, which fizzes off into the atmosphere. Peroxide is the only thing I want on my plants in flower.


Another thing while I'm thinking about it. The easiest way to open zip locks is slide your fingers horizontally in opposite directions while pinching the zipper. Pulling the zipper can break the bag and send seeds flying everywhere.

 ::)  Hi Otis!  Please include me for a Bean Bomb!   

                 

 ::)


   Guess I should have told ya... I'm Bonzer on OGF as well....   

Bonzer...    lol

Hi, we would love to get some seeds...
RDDPL of NGF
Hope this is how it works.???
Thank you

Hey Otis I would love to join the Crop Circle Club! I'm an OGF'er for life - ORtransplant :)  If it's not too late. Thanks!!

Quote from: ORtransplant on October 29, 2011, 06:01:45 PM
Hey Otis I would love to join the Crop Circle Club! I'm an OGF'er for life - ORtransplant :)  If it's not too late. Thanks!!

You are in. By my reckoning we are at 33-36 on the list out of forty total depending on whether or not the three who did not say which club come back and do that.

Quote from: bootstrapbabe on October 25, 2011, 02:04:32 PM
Crop Circle Club :) Bootstrapbabe

MY OGF name is Bootstrapbabe and I can pickup at OGF Main. Thanks!

There are about five packs left. Seeds will be available for one week starting tomorrow at OGF and NGF. Unclaimed seeds go to the volunteers after one week.






* Please check that your name is on the correct list below and request any changes in this thread.


OGF Bean Bomb List 1

> Delivery October 31 <


 
1.greenpaw  
2.Mikel  
3.Diabolique  
4.ibanezjoe33  
5.russianblue72  
6.betrayer  
7.cannachuck  
8.Iyssac  
9.TechnicolorAmoeba    
10.sunpirates  
11.couchlock    
12.Slug2468   = Hermit44
13.cirric    
14.WiseFemme
15.unionguy
16.tbone   = superchef007
17.Andrew
18.luni415
19.brandon

 Hey Otis... I'm Freedomrider @ NGF and I wanna join the

Pontoona from ogf here and I too want to join the amazing "crop circle club"

lefty from ngf hoping I am doing this right

OGF Bean Bomb List 1

> Delivery October 31 <


1.Andrew
2.betrayer  
3.bluetrane
4.Bonzer
5.bootstrapbabe
6.brandon

The seeds you requested can be picked up today at the club you specified. Final lists are above and the thread is now closed. After one week any unclaimed donations go to the volunteers.


If you missed this one, Bean Bomb 2 list is starting here:


http://otisgardens.com/forum/index.php?topic=120.msg768#msg768


Bean Bomb 2 is open to all OMMP cardholders, first come first served. Thank you for trying my seeds.



Enjoy,

Otis